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The Complicated Situation of Jedd Gyorko

Posted by Jeff in Player Update | Tucson Padres

Typically, when a 23-year-old infield prospect who can play two premium defensive positions is posting a .342/.390/.606 line in Triple A an immediate promotion to the majors seems like the reasonable course of action.  Unfortunately for Jedd Gyorko his situation features far less black and white with an ever-growing amount of shades of grey.

In a vacuum, Gyorko is absolutely ready for a shot at regular playing time with the Padres.  While his numbers are artificially inflated due to the friendly confines of the Pacific Coast League, the scouting reports on his bat have pegged him as ready for a new challenge since late June.  On the defensive end, Gyorko has at least an average glove at third if not a tick above with enough arm strength to make every necessary play.  At second base where Gyorko has spent about a third of his time this season, he lacks enough true range to stick at the position long term but is a good enough athlete to be an average defender there over a short period of time.

A Full 40-Man

Each MLB team is given 40 roster positions they can fill to then whittle down to their 25-man active roster for game days.  Usually the 40-man roster will include guys on the MLB 15-day disabled list, a few insurance policies in Triple A for the pitching staff, utility options in the upper minors, international prospects who have been with the organization for five or more years and a top prospect or two who are on the cusp of a call up.

To this point the Padres haven’t elected to add Gyorko to their 40-man roster, making a potential move to bring him to San Diego a little tougher.  Starting pitcher Andrew Werner took the most recent spot that opened up with Jason Bartlett’s release, and as of now another opening doesn’t appear imminent.  Add that to the fact that Jonathan Galvez will need to be protected this winter and both Casey Kelly and Robbie Erlin will needs spots of their own and you can start to see why the Padres may see keeping Gyorko off the 40-man as the most attractive option.

The Chase Headley Factor

A year ago it would have been almost impossible to think that Headley would be one of the most productive players in the game at his position, even when crediting his undervalued skillset.  Yet the fact is that Headley has turned himself into an essential piece for the Padres, and one they didn’t appear too keen on giving up during the recent trade deadline.

Now the Padres are faced with a tough decision as they prepare for the offseason.  There’s a decent chance that Headley is putting up his career-best offensive season (when looking at statistics that are adjusted to factor in park effects), but he has also become the Padres’ most consistent offensive player while providing a steady veteran presence on what is already a young team that should only get younger.

By giving up Headley this offseason – even for what we’ll assume is a premium package – San Diego will place all of their eggs firmly in the Gyorko basket which is an incredible amount of risk for a front office that is working under brand new ownership.

Oh, and All The Other Guys

This season Alexi Amarista (0.7 WAR), Everth Cabrera (1.7 WAR) and Logan Forsythe (0.7 WAR) have each provided enough value to earn playing time in a rotation that just may be solid enough to solidify the Padres moving forward.  While each player is likely borderline replacement level on their own, the offensive bar at second base, shortstop and third base is so low that their versatility may outweigh their shortcomings.

Although Gyorko is unable to play shortstop, in theory he should be able to more than replace the production the Padres have received from their second base rotation.  Yet a move that would remove Amarista, Cabrera or Forsythe from regular playing time doesn’t seem to make a ton of sense, as all three players are performing admirably and project to improve with more experience at the big league level.  In addition, benching any of the three at this point would all but ruin their trade value and prove to be an inefficient use of assets for the Padres.

Trade Gyorko?

While it doesn’t seem like a completely realistic option, San Diego does have the choice of packaging Gyorko with a few other attractive pieces in a deal to consolidate talent.  Such a deal borders on a topic that we’ve touched on before: at some point the Padres will reach a tipping point where their farm system will not only become an asset to replenish the big league club, but also create a steady line of tradable assets to add the final pieces to a contending club.

Without even considering the recent winning ways of the Padres it’s perfectly reasonable to expect contention in the next two-to-three season, meaning trading Gyorko and others for a controllable asset that could possibly move up that timeline may not be all that farfetched.

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With all that said, there’s still a very real chance Gyorko makes his professional MLB debut this season.  But whatever happens it’s extremely important to keep in mind that this decision has the potential to cause huge ripple effects throughout the organization.  While Gyorko’s skillset is extremely impressive and appears to be MLB ready, he is nowhere close to a proven commodity.

Every player has growing pains at some point, even the ones that make it all the way through their first season unscathed.  A call up of Gyorko at this point would have to come at the expense of a player who is performing well which would only add to the extreme pressure he will be facing as one of the assumed building blocks of what appears to be a bright future.

At this point in the season the earliest Gyorko will be called up is September 1, meaning 100 at bats is about the best you can hope for as far as sample size goes even making the unlikely assumption that he would play everyday.  Though neither of these players are real comparisons skillset-wise to Gyorko, consider that Yonder Alonso put up a .330/.398/.545 line in 98 plate appearances in 2011 while Mike Trout posted a .220/.281/.390 line in 135 plate appearances and you can see that even a 30-game cameo for Gyorko in 2012 would provide little value to the Padres as they head into an offseason where they’ll need to evaluate the future of their infield.

Bring him up? Keep him down? Trade him? Just be glad the decision’s not yours.

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25 Responses

  • Great breakdown of the Gyorko situation. I’d just like to be the ass that points out Gyorko’s already made his “professional debut.”

  • Andrew says:

    “Bring him up? Keep him down? Trade him?”

    Yes

  • Jay P. says:

    Although its not an easy one, how long has it been since the Padres have actually been in a position to make this sort of decision? Feels like forever since there has been a “problem” with depth.

  • J.C. says:

    Your analysis is really just stating the obvious that most fans have been discussing on message boards this past month. It’s really not that complicated when you break it down. This team needs offensive help. The only real positions that can be upgraded are in the middle infield and at RF. Gyorko is the only MLB ready player currently at AAA that has any chance at improving our lineup.

    The biggest reason to bring him up this year is to give him exposure to MLB pitching. You mentioned Trout’s callup numbers, that’s no different than any other rookie. The whole reason you bring them up is for them to make adjustments for the following year. It’s all about player development, taking a month off and waiting for winter ball does nothing for him.

    We are likely going to finish in 4th place in our division and you tell me there’s not a spot on the 40 man roster for our top offensive prospect? Keeping the status quo on a losing team isn’t a recipe for success, nor a reason for fans to stick around. Just browsed the 40 man roster and it’s a laughable excuse that we can’t find a spot for him.

    Quit towing the company line and making excuses for this franchise. We’ve had enough.

    • Jeff says:

      Ha, my favorite comment ever. Don’t have time right now but I’ll do my best to respond fully to your concerns later today.

    • Jeff says:

      First paragraph: I apologize for not reading your message board. I would also agree that fans who follow the system closely are keen to these issues. This post was meant for those who were confused why the org hasn’t called him up.

      Second paragraph: This is assuming that Gyorko has a clear path to playing time, which he does not.

      Third paragraph: That’s precisely what I’m saying. And that doesn’t mean that every player on the 40-man is better than Gyorko, simply the org’s desire to retain those players may outweigh the benefit given to Gyorko with 100 MLB at bats.

      Fourth paragraph: I am in no way affiliated with the Padres, but if they’d like to add me to the payroll I’ll take the MLB minimum.

  • Padre Fan in Pittsburgh says:

    As J.C. alluded to, the Padres do have an opening in RF. If Gyorko is such a great athlete, why can’t he play winter ball and spring training in RF?

    • Jeff says:

      Never said he was a great athlete, simply good enough to make plays at second base without killing the team. Right field (especially at Petco) is a completely different monster. He would likely be a disaster out there, which isn’t a knock on him but simply an honest assessment of his skill set.

  • J.C. says:

    You mention that he does not have a clear path to playing time, but do you actually feel that Amarista or Forsythe is the answer at 2nd base? While I like the Ninja, he’s more suited to a super sub role. Forsythe really hasn’t showed to be much more than a bench player. Neither player provides significant power at the position or hits for average. Based on our current contract commitments and available prospects, second base is the only position we can upgrade without going outside the organization. So again I ask – why doesn’t he have a clear path? Teams move position players all the time, just look at Cabrera having to play 3b for the Tigers. He’s awful defensively, but his bat is worth it. Now obviously I’m not trying to compare Gyorko to a MVP caliber player, but it’s the same concept. You try to put your best players on the field. By all accounts Gyorko’s bat is the best we have and ready to be promoted.

    • Jeff says:

      Still simply saying that both are worth sticking with to see how they progress. If it turns out that Amarista and Forsythe can be close to league avg offensively at second while providing enough versatility to back up multiple positions that provides a ton of value to a roster. Again NOT saying Gyorko couldn’t be better, simply pointing out that there are real factors at play that could keep him in the minors for the rest of the year.

      While you aren’t comparing Gyorko to Cabrera as players, you are trying to compare their situations when they are nothing alike. Cabrera is a possibly the best pure hitter in the league and Gyorko is a completely unproven commodity. If Gyorko was a for sure .300 hitter with good peripherals, sure, play him out of position. But that is a huge gamble to take. I honestly think Gyorko will do well from the beginning but we have to let logic and best practices rule over what our eyes want to see.

  • Andrew says:

    In regards to J.C. comment: the offense hasn’t stunk in a while this year – its been firmly average to above average for a while now actually, which was easy to predict when considering the implications of losing Bartlett, Hudson, and Hundley and gaining Quentin. Heck the offense was about league average on the road just last season. This offense is pretty much never as bad as people believe/ are lead to believe.

  • Andrew says:

    Forgot to mention that Forsythe has an wrC+ of 103, which is even better after accounting for position.

  • J.C. says:

    A league average offense doesn’t get you into the post season. All I’m saying.

    I recognize all your points Jeff, but at what point do we make a change? Do we settle for league average at the position? I mean your entire analysis makes complete sense, but you aren’t looking at the other side of it. Why aren’t we making more of an effort to not settle for average. There’s 5 teams that make the playoffs now. Average isn’t going to cut it.

  • J.C. says:

    That’s one of the biggest issues with the San Diego fan base, we don’t expect to win year in and year out. We need a change of mindset and demand more from our teams.

  • Tom says:

    I’m not sure that the Gyorko not being on the 40 man roster is really much of an obstacle – assuming that Ohlendorff will be designated for assignment tomorrow for Casey Kelly that still leaves both Eddy Rodriguez and Andy Parrino as players that would probably clear waivers.

    • Jeff says:

      Then whose spots do Blanks, Darnell, Luebke, Moseley and Stauffer take?

      • Tom says:

        Blanks and Moseley are almost certainly done with the Padres so they don’t need to worry about opening up room for them. There is still plenty of dead weight on the 40 man roster – Josh Spence, Thad Weber, Rodriguez, Parrino, and Blake Tekotte.

  • In the short term, there is no reason why the Padres can’t find room on the 40 man for Gyorko to be a Sept call up. Once placed on the 40, he won’t be able to be removed without trading him. I would remove Parrino, Weber, or ohlendorf in a second to bring his bat up and so should the Padres. I expect a ton of roster moves in the offseason as the Padres will look to move major league talent in order to protect guys with higher upside and aquire impact players. The big question this article begs is what to do with Gyorko. If the Padres do not call up Gyorko in sept, this could be a sign they may trade him in the offseason…. right now his value is fairly high. A 30 day stint in the majors that somehow doesnt go well could hurt his perceived value. Personally, I would call him up and audition him at 2b. Keep headley and gyorko.

  • Ryan says:

    You are all overlooking one critical reason why the Padres should not only call up Gyorko, but should absolutely do so before Sept. 1: we could use his bat on the postseason roster.

    Only 12.5 back with 33 to play.

  • Andrew says:

    “A league average offense doesn’t get you into the post season. All I’m saying.

    I recognize all your points Jeff, but at what point do we make a change? Do we settle for league average at the position?”

    League average can be extremely valuable, and is when it’s from a player of Forsythe’s salary. A team can’t be above average at every position. The best teams are ~average in some areas. Again, the main points are: league average isn’t inherently bad and even the best teams need/have league average players.

  • Rob says:

    If you don’t bring Gyorko up in September then the Padres are saying to me that they are ok with an average team. Gyorko is going to be a MVP cailber player and he deserves to be on a better team if they want to settle for AVERAGE! He is ready for the major leagues but I heard they don’t want to start his service time yet. Headley is the better player out of Forsythe, Amarista and Cabrera. They all are good players but just average. It has already been said and proven that Gyorko’s bat is the best in the entire organization. He has power and can hit to all parts of the field. It is very obvious what the Padres should do to make the team better but it is a question if they want to be AVERAGE or a contending team?

  • Beevills says:

    Why not move forsythe to short a position he can play gyorko to 2nd and keep headley at third?

    I can see that situation working til spags comes up. And best case scenario gyorko proves he can hit MLB pitching and we have a better feelIg that we can trade headley. Of worst case we go back to how things are with ecab/armi/forsythe

  • Andrew says:

    And when specifically discussing Forsythe, he may be league average offensively but he is above average relative to his position. It’s an important distinction because it means Forsythe is above average offensively.

    Gyorko may have more potential but it makes little sense for the Padres to cast aside an already valuable player who wasn’t exactly badly regarded himself coming out of the minors.

  • Joe says:

    I miss this website. I enjoyed reading posts and still check daily. Is Padres Prospects dead?



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